@Wildflower_Sue - 

loved your post

@Wildflower_Sue - 

Why so extreme? Like Frank, you don't sound any different than the people you can't stand - just on the opposite side is all.

I'll never understand people who hate extremism with extremism. I personally don't like either. I don't like the Christian weirdo who can't find it in himself/herself to see that homosexuals are equally valuable human beings just like I don't like the secular extremist who can't stomach Christians just the same - so much that they have to go on constant tirades about Christians' beliefs. Too self-righteous for my tastes.

Look, I don't care that atheists are atheists or that christians are christians. I'll debate my points with both of them if they ask me - obviously those that don't think what I think, I think are wrong - but that's where it stops. I don't blacklist all of those who believe a certain way and I don't go on tirades belittling people that have firm beliefs in the unknowable (and both atheism AND theism are unknowable from an epistemological sense, I believe.)

You need to distinguish between being gay and homosexual sex. Nobody cares if anybody is gay. We accept everyone who is gay. We just think homosexual sex is wrong. That's it. You can continue to be gay and it really doesn't matter. Can we legislate against homosexual sex? Probably not... but it doesn't mean we HAVE to believe it's morally good otherwise we're hateful.

We have nothing against the people. I do have something against the action.

@Heather_Woods - 

Thanks!

@itistim - 

That wasn't extreme. That was just facts as I see them from the fence I sit on.

I don't hate religious people and I also don't hate people who partake in gay sex.

But when it is cloaked under the guise of religion, I have a problem with the liars who want us all to believe they are so holy and do such good works for the poor, starving and destitute.

Y'know .. it's kinda like the Hell's Angels doing a Toy Run for Kids. And we all know how holy THEY are!

@itistim - 

That wasn't extreme. That was just facts as I see them from the fence I sit on.

I don't hate religious people and I also don't hate people who partake in gay sex.

But when it is cloaked under the guise of religion, I have a problem with the liars who want us all to believe they are so holy and do such good works for the poor, starving and destitute.

Y'know .. it's kinda like the Hell's Angels doing a Toy Run for Kids. And we all know how holy THEY are!

@randplaty - 

Gosh, and here I was thinking they were the same thing. I mean, what's the point in being gay if you don't have sex with a member of your own gender???

Soooo ... is this religious person's way of accepting that some people are gay? It's okay to be gay as long as you don't have gay sex? It's okay to love your fellow gay man as long as you don't make love with him???

Golly gee whiz ... get real, peoples. Some people just got mixed up in the chemistry lesson before they arrived in this world. They ARE. They DO. It's called life. Sometimes for some people, it sucks. And sometimes, for some people, religious views create a life of hell for these people.

Somebody earlier posted that if a gay person accepted god in their life, they could change and become un-gay. I do not believe this to be true. I don't think you can become un-gay no matter how hard you wish it. I think that people who appear to become un-gay just get tired of a life full of crap handed to them, the ridicule, the unacceptance, the snide remarks, the ostracism ... and they appear to accept the ways of the heterosexual. But underneath it all, they are still gay and feel like they have betrayed themselves - and many of them finally commit suicide.

And no, I am not gay.

@Wildflower_Sue - 

So is life made hell for people who live together without being married? Because there's no difference between thinking that that is immoral and thinking that gay sex is immoral. It's just one group of people thinking another group of people are partaking in immoral action (based on their worldview). I have a hard time seeing where you are above that...

Gay people are being viewed the same by christians as straight people who live together without marrying. Neither of those are hated just because the act is viewed as immoral.

Why is it that when christians think that certain things people do are wrong they're hateful bigots? But you're allowed to think that what these christians are doing is so terrible that you can namecall them as hateful bigots, and it's totally fine?

It's just insane to me that some people see no difference between having a moral opinion about a certain action and actively hating a person that does that certain action. Irrationality is a trait emotional extremism - and this is a perfect example.