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Posted by: garyfong1 Original: 12/1/2008 7:08 PM Views: 1511 Comments: 19 eProps: 10 Read Comments Post a Comment Back to Your Xanga Site

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Monday, December 01, 2008

	the canon eos5d mark II is en route Adorama just sent me an email - it shipped today! I'm mostly getting it for video. I think it's going to be so cool to do 14mm f2.8L videos of interiors with rectilinear correction. Or 85mm f1.2 in available light. In video. My question is - how is the sound, and how will I be able to stand shooting such large files? The videos I do now are 640x480, or 320x240
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the sound is pretty good...but you can hear the auto focus working if it's quiet where you are shooting...and the auto focus is pretty awkward in movie mode (and in live mode), sadly. I found manual focus the only option in movie mode! I don't really feel like they are "there yet" with the movie mode....sorry to say.

it's a rockin camera, though! i love it! :) i hope you figure something cool about about the movie mode that i just wasn't quite getting....

Posted 12/1/2008 7:51 PM by JessicaStrickland - - reply

So, this camera needs no light pretty much. So mount a nice mic with one of those bigass wind breakers (you know, the big fuzzy mic glove) and you have a mtfkcn high end video camera.

I'm getting mine tomorrow at Glazers camera in Seattle. We have to pay sales tax on our gear because we are a business and with the Glazers, the added benefit is that if the camera breaks for any reason, they give you a rental for free while it is being repaired. Sweet.

Posted 12/1/2008 9:19 PM by photoelan - - reply

Remember you need a licence to be able to use the video for professional use. It is mentioned in the instruction book. It is all to do with the coding system it uses for recording.

Posted 12/2/2008 5:47 AM by stuartallen - - reply

I hope you know how to use Final Cut Pro and Color. And have a big powerful machine.

Posted 12/2/2008 11:56 AM by Anonymous - - reply

I RENTED ONE AND WAS NOT TOO IMPRESSED WITH THE VIDEO.

IF I WAS GOING TO DO ANY PROFESSIONAL VIDEO SHOOT I WOULD USE A PRO VIDEO CAM WITH INTERCHANGEABLE LENSES SUCH AS THE
CANON HDXL1, YOU CAN USE ALL CANON LENSES, GET BETTER VIDEO QUALITY AND NOT LOOKING FOOLISH. DONT GET ME WRONG IT IS AN AWESOME STEP INTO THE FUTURE OF WHATS TO COME AND THE STILL IMAGES ARE AMAZING! BUT FOR VIDEO NOPE!

32MB FOR A 4 SECOND CLIP IS JUST RETARDED! YEAH THEY ARE HUGE AND FULL OF DETAIL AT 1920 x 1080, 30 fps
BUT IMAGINE THE GIGS YOUR GOING TO TAKE FOR A COUPLE MINUTES CLIP. I TOOK A 30 SECOND CLIP AND SHRANK IT DOWN WITH SUPER C
HD VIDEO CONVERTER TO 720 X 480 AVI AND THAT TOOK 1 HOUR AND 13 MINUTES, DOUBLE THAT ON ADOBE PREMIERE AND IT CRASHES WITH AFTER EFFECTS.. ALL THIS ON A SYSTEM WITH QUAD CORE AND 8 GIGS OF RAM.

THIS WAS DONE JUST FOR TESTING IMAGINE IF YOUR GOING TO COLOR CORRECT AND ALL THE OTHER DETAILS REQUIRED FOR A PRO PIECE?!?
A HOUR VIDEO ON MY HDXL1 TO CONVERT TO TO AN MPEG FOR FOR ONLINE VIEWING ONLY TAKES ABOUT 27 MINUTES.

HERE IS SOME PRE-PRODUCTION SAMPLES: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canoneos5dmarkii/page15.asp

But since you will will most likly using it for web clips stick to the SD quality video clips, 620 x 480
these look just as good as any other video clp out there. a 4 gig chip holds 12 minutes in HD or 24 of SD quality.

Posted 12/2/2008 2:34 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

That is not a great sample though, I have seen footage on the Canon site that completely blows this away. Plus most people using this for film making will be using Finalcut or Avid which are probably going to me more up to the job than Premiere that hardly any pro filmmaker will touch now. The 5D MKII allows filmmakers to do stuff that other cameras just can't do simply because of the way it handles and it's size. Already there are pro camera holders available that allow you to focus pull and shoulder mount it.

As for the future that has already arrived with the new RED video/stills camera announced a couple of weeks ago and due for launch next year. This looks an incredible piece of kit and very much digital SLR camera shaped again.

Posted 12/2/2008 3:48 PM by stuartallen - - reply

@stuartallen -

Its a matter of choice on the final cut / premiere.

Adobe still rules when it comes to software and their are a lot more plugins and software add ons than for apples final cut. I also have Final cut HD and love the interface but it comes no where close to the real time rendering in effects as does any of Adobe products without having to spend on a rendering card, I love the fact I can switch in real mode to any of the other software in the suite from adobe... I can no how afford to purchase a new Mac with 8 gigs just to be able to edit 12 minute clips shot on this camera.

Agreed more film makers use final cut now a days since premiere is no longer available for the mac but they do have plugins
that allow you to bring your work from final cut into premiere and vice versa...

I dont see any real FILM MAKER using one of these to make a feature film unless its a 12 minute short a-la
"Reverie" http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

When they perhaps release a firmware that allows you to shoot more than 12 minutes or 4 gigs then we are onto something.
No!... you just cant add a 16 gig CF and shoot that much longer, the limit is 4 gigs.

Anyhow yeah the red gear is hot but way out of budget. $30,000?!?!

AGAIN I THINK ITS A GREAT CAMERA AND WILL CHANGE ALOT OF THINGS ON THE FIELD BUT FOR WHAT GARY PLANS ON USING IT FOR
I THINK HIS POINT A SHOOT IS DOING JUST WELL. I DEFINATLY WILL BE GETTING ONE IN FEBRUARY SINCE ITS WAY UP DUE TO DEMAND RIGHT NOW AND WAY ON BACK ORDER.

HERE IS A GOOD LITTLE CLIP THAT STARTED IT ALL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfUUySn3y7w

AND HERES A GOOD QUALITY TEST ONE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdaybWRRDWI

Posted 12/2/2008 5:34 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

OOPS MENT THE ONE THAT STARTED IT ALL: http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

THE DIRECTOR: http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

AND A QUALITY TEST ONE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdaybWRRDWI

"CAN'T FIGHT THE FUTURE, NOT THIS TIME!"

Posted 12/2/2008 5:39 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

@NUYOKA_AND_CO - RED gear does look great. To me the system concept is similar to what medium and large format camera systems were to film. Totally modular. By the way, with the new announcements you could get a "minimal" system for about $3750.. check out Jannard's (the founder - Mr. Oakley) forum/blog: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23112 (scroll down for the system brochure and pricing). These look like serious toys for someone with Gary's means.

Posted 12/3/2008 5:53 AM by qnetx - - reply

@NUYOKA_AND_CO -

Just so you know, Premiere has been available for Macs again for a little while now, although it has been getting bad press due to lacking some features and being overpriced, so is selling poorly. The BBC are finding in the UK it is cheaper for them to switch to Finalcut. An example is one editing workstation suite that is used for a TV series needed a feature that required more equipment to be purchased or for a £100,000 saving they could switch to Finalcut, replace all their PCs for brand new Macs and send all the editors on training courses. So that is what they did.

The 12 min limit is far less an issue for a professional filmmaker than it is an amateur photographer. Scenes hardly ever get to 12 mins in films before there is a cut. Most shots are only seconds long before cutting to another angle. Have a few friends that work within the industry as DOP, directors or producers and they are excited about the 5D. One is starting on a new project as soon as the camera turns up. They see the camera as a cheap RED.

I don't know if it is the same in America but the money to be made from purchasing a RED and then hiring it out is huge as there is such demand to use them.

Now this is the nice small camera bracket Gary needs to buy for his 5D. lol.

http://www.redrockmicro.com/redrock_dslr.html

Posted 12/3/2008 7:03 AM by stuartallen - - reply

@stuartallen - you wrote, "Remember you need a licence to be able to use the video for professional use."

That's interesting. Could you fill in more details about Canon's license "requirement"?

How can a manufacturer control what you do with a piece of equipment you purchased? I seem to remember the US Government came down on Polaroid's heads about 40 years ago for trying to control what buyers of their products did (but my 63 year-old brain can't gather the details).

Thanks.

Terry Thomas...
the photographer
Atlanta, Georgia USA
www.TerryThomasPhotos.com

Posted 12/3/2008 11:39 AM by TerryThomasPhotos - - reply

Gary,

I agree with other posters. Order a Scarlet from Red with a Canon lens mount. You will be happer with that than a Canon DSLR trying to act like a video camera.

As an occasional character actor in movies, TV shows and commercials a lot of recent productions I've been in this year have been shot with a Red One. It's modular but not so much as the Scarlet. Both models can accept lenses from Panavision, Canon and Nikon and Scarlet can accept Minolta medium format lenses as well. Personally, I'd like to see Red be able to use Leica bayonet mount lenses (but there might not be enough flange to focal plane distance).

What's going to be interesting is what response Canon and Nikon have. How can they compete with a camera that creates 260 megabyte images when at best they are making cameras which capture 25 megabytes? 260Mb!!

As I wrote to a friend when I read the Scarlet specifications, "This changes everything."

Terry Thomas...
the photographer
Atlanta, Georgia USA
www.TerryThomasPhotos.com

Posted 12/3/2008 11:51 AM by TerryThomasPhotos - - reply

@TerryThomasPhotos - BTW - The Scarlet with the 35mm equiv full frame sensor is $9750 for just the "brain" part. The lower priced Scarlet uses a smaller sensor.

Posted 12/3/2008 11:56 AM by qnetx - - reply

@TerryThomasPhotos -

Hi Terry

I found out about this on the dpreview forum and it is quite confusing but it does appear to be an issue.

Needing a licence to use video for pro use

Posted 12/3/2008 12:03 PM by stuartallen - - reply

@qnetx - Yes I know the costs involved. As a matter of fact Calumet Camera shows the Nikon D3X at $8,000. Yikes! But then as someone pointed out digital Hasselblads run around $30,000 so I guess some pros can afford this equipment. Just not me. LOL!

Terry Thomas...
the photographer
Atlanta, Georgia USA
www.TerryThomasPhotos.com

Posted 12/3/2008 8:44 PM by TerryThomasPhotos - - reply

@qnetx -

Sweet! See that is something I can get into, I have only 16 more payments on my XLH1S left after that im going all Red gear!

Thanks for the info!

Posted 12/3/2008 8:50 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

@stuartallen -

I agree most cuts are made within 4 minutes but when you have to take into account that every 3 cuts you need to change a memory card its just RETARDED!, films get cans and cans just on bloopers so its just a waste of time. I can get an hour on a $20 DV tape for a Canon XL-H1S or Canon XL-H1A 3CCD HDV High Definition Professional Camcorder and both have XLR ports for external mic's.

Yes any good production should have a sound person recording audio independently but having a power shotgun mic on a camera good or bad sound is better than not having any at all, by the time you convert this SLR into a full movie rig it will be as heavy as a film camera and money wasted, Again yes I will be getting one, Yes the quality is great but I dont see it being used to film films or shows.

It will be great for online video mags and gossip shows like TMZ where the poparatzzi can just carry one camera get still images of the stars and get great video with the same gadget, but to see your next BBC documentary shot with one I dont think so.

Here is the behind the sceans for Reverie notice that it's a silent film.
http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2426&productID=249&articleTypeID=225

Looks SUPER BEAUTIFUL, Its like having your still images come alive but still no sound.

Posted 12/3/2008 8:52 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

@stuartallen - I read all the posts about the AT&T licensing on DP Review.

From what I can tell, AT&T wants a royalty on their intellectual property if a photographer sells a video - because they are making money using AT&T's intellectual property. Evidently each chain of the distribution link owes money to AT&T: camera maker, photographer, software maker, bulk video duplicator, etc.

How different is that from we photographers wanting to be paid when our intellectual property (our photographs) are used commercially? None that I can tell.

From what I can see the MPEG folks charge as little as 2 cents per copy for videos over 12 minutes long. Frankly, if I were involved I'd just write the MPEG folks a letter asking for clarification and fees.

Most likely what will happen is the lawyers will end up making a bunch of money and we photographers will be the poorer for it all.

Off topic question: What digital encoding (if any) does the Nikon D90 use? Doesn't it also shoot high definition videos - just not as high resolution as Canon's. Plus the Nikon overheats in 60 seconds. Ouchie!

Terry Thomas...
the photographer
Atlanta, Georgia USA
www.TerryThomasPhotos.com

Posted 12/3/2008 8:53 PM by TerryThomasPhotos - - reply

And here is Bruce Dorn,
With a video that shows off his fusion approach to wedding photography, inspired by the EOS 5D Mark II...

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327&productID=249&articleTypeID=225

This is one of those videos shot with a 5DM2 of him shooting with a 5Dm2!

This one is an insight one:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=786

Posted 12/3/2008 9:07 PM by NUYOKA_AND_CO - - reply

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