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Monday, October 27, 2008

 THE TRILLION DOLLAR MELTDOWN -
- or - I explain in detail what's going on with our economy -
This book was written an eternity ago in the course of the economic meltdown.  It was finished in late 2007.  Back in late 2007;

1) Countrywide was still in business.
2) So was Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG and Bear Stearns... as well as WAMU and a lot of banks.  
3) There was still such a thing as an investment bank.

And the author showed that - even in an "orderly" deleveraging of the massive credit bubble, using very very conservative estimates, there was about a trillion dollars that was going to be wiped out.  His thesis was that it has to happen, but once it does, if it does so "transparently" (as in, honestly and without bullshit)_, then the U.S. financial system would take this one-time hit and recover because the U.S. has a reputation for safeguarding investments.  Thanks to your dumbass President Bush, and Secretary Paulson, they did a great dog and pony show that completely fooled the U.S. House and Senate, and the American people.

The U.S. has a reputation of not being a "rogue" country that is corrupt, and therefore foreign investment dollars would still find the U.S. desirable.  We have had a history of safety because of oversight and prudent management.  We had regulatory commissions that protected investors.  Until the last eight years, anyway.

Let's look at what happened since this book got written.  Paulson comes screaming to Congress and convinces it that the markets will unwind if taxpayers don't cough up 700 billion dollars in additional taxes right away.  Congress believed him because HE'S THE TREASURY SECRETARY.  It's his job to know when we are in danger, just like it was Secretary Colin Powell's job to tell us that Iraq possesses WMD's.  We trust cabinet members because they have access to information we don't have. We don't think that high-ranking Presidentially appointed cabinet members are going to lie to us!  And when a high-ranking official tells you that you have to do something or else, there is an inherent trust in that person.

Congressional members and senators don't spend the hours and hours a day reading financial news from around the world like I do, so I can't expect them to understand exactly why the $700 billion dollar rape and pillage of the middle and lower classes was voted.  I just wish I could've had half an hour to give a powerpoint presentation before they voted.  I am absolutely positive I could've convinced them that the bailout was the worst moment in U.S. history, and will most likely destroy it.

I will explain what happened to the collapse of the credit markets in as simple way as I can.   Motives and knowledge of individuals are stated as opinions, rather than fact.  First let me introduce the players:

1) Richguy1 - starts an investment fund called a "Mortgage Backed Security"
2) Richguy2 - starts a hedge fund
3) Stupidguy1 - is an investment bank

The current financial system is based in IOU's.  When you swipe a credit card at a gas station, the gas station goes on the trust that the money will wind up in the owner's bank account, and he can buy a jug of milk.  Rarely is cash even used, and cash is completely never used in complex investments.

When you bought a house, you issued an IOU called a mortgage.  This IOU was something the bank could use to take your house away if you didn't pay on time.  But here's the thing - the bank could sell "that" IOU to somebody else.  Let's say it sold your promise to pay the bank back to a person we'll call "Richguy1".  Richguy1 takes your mortgage, and a bunch of your neighbor's mortgages, and puts them in a big pot, splitting them up into five packages and offers these packages to investors in smaller investment shares.  Richguy1 creates what is called a "Mortgage Backed Security".  It's like buying stock in a company, but in this case the company is simply a company that buys mortgages from banks.  OK?  Ok.

The "good" mortgages (belonging to people with high credit ratings, and good secure jobs) are in the high package, offering low risk, but also low rates of return.  The "risky" mortgages, which consist of mortages of people with low credit scores, etc. get packaged up and sold with a description of higher risk, but promising higher returns.

The low risk packages are easily sold by the Richguy1 to big investment funds, like the people who just tanked your 401k or pension plan.  Large investors want low risk, but safe returns.  That's an easy sell.  Low-risk packages go to the big guys.

Well now who the hell is going to buy the high risk crap?  I used to think small investors would buy the high risk stuff (looking for higher returns) but that wasn't who was soaking up all of the "toxic" debt.  IT WAS THE HEDGE FUNDS.

That's right.  The hedge funds would be assembled by Richguy2.  Richguy2 would get a bunch of millionaires (in order to invest in hedge funds, you have to be a millionaire because the law prevents little guys from getting hurt in non-publicly traded companies) together and go up to Richguy1 and says, "hey Richguy1, I bet you would like to unload that lousy, high risk, subprime group of mortgages at liquidation value.  Tell you what, I'll guarantee that in five years, I'll give you 60% of the original value (liquidation value).  All I ask is that you give me a tiny deposit of 10% cash now (in exchange for the risk I'm taking), in cash.  This is what is known as a credit default swap.  If the "toxic" debt goes over 60%, the owner of the credit default swap wins.  Stupid bet, right?  Right now it would be, but in an economy where real estate was still going up - who knew if it was super smart or super stupid?

Richguy1 thinks, you know what?  Richguy2 is making me one hell of a deal.  Because I am making so much money on the top packages by selling my safe stuff to big institutional investors, I can for sure cough up 10% of the liquidation value of the bad stuff, with a promise that in five years I'll get it all back.  OK, Richguy2 - deal!  I'll pay you 10% for the insurance that this toxic debt is off my books... gone.

Now, Richguy1 benefits, because he now has less toxic debt on the books.  Richguy1 is really in business, making tons of money because he's buying up mortgages from banks, (including bad subprime mortgages) but unloading the subprimes to hedge funds who buy Credit Default swaps.

Mortgage-originating banks are happy because they have NO risk.  They unload everything to Richguy1.  Richguy1 unloads the crap toxic debt to Richguy2.  So it sounds like Richguy2 is stupid right?  He's not.  There's a third, stupid guy I haven't introduced yet.  Richguy2 is plenty smart.  Only problem is, if you do the math, Richguy2 is extremely leveraged.

Now you're wondering why Richguy2 (the owner of the hedgefund) would be so stupid as to buy crap at 60% off.  It's because he GETS CASH.  Cash upfront to get rid of the "toxic" debt, and then goes to the investment bank to lend the next 30%.

The investment bank I will now call "stupidguy".  The investment bank writes a check for 30%.  What does stupidguy get?  Well, fees, and lots of them.  But stupidguy has a worthless contract with Richguy2.  Richguy2 promises to borrow only a fixed ratio of the toxic debt.  If lots of those mortgages in the "subprime" package default, then Richguy2 has to send $$$ to Stupidguy1.  (This is called a margin call).  

As house values fall, more mortgages went into foreclosure.  As that happened, Richguy2 had to send money to stupidguy1.  Richguy2 (the hedge funds) didn't have the $$$ because he was leveraged to some ridiculous amount, like 100 to 1.  So the hedgefund goes tits up.  Stupidguy1 (the investment bank) loses its entire 30%.  That's a bummer, but what happens when this happens with every freaking single deal it does?  The investment bank goes tits up.  No more stupidguy1.  

Richguy1 made out ok.  While there's no more CDO's to create anymore, Richguy1 made a ton of money.  He got cash out of the mortgage that is now being used to foreclose on millions of hard-working "Joe Sixpacks" so they can be sent to move in with their relatives.

Stupidguy1 is gone, but now what happened to Richguy2 - the hedge funds?  Wouldn't it be nice if somebody could bail out the hedge funds?

I know!  How about one of the former CEO's of one of the stupidguy1's!  Wow, that's weird, he's now the secretary of the treasury!  He controls the taxpayer's money!  Let's get him to convince Congress and Senate (the dumbass President will do whatever, but he won't eat sweets and he won't golf until this war is over) to get the taxpayer to fork over $700 billion dollars to buy up the toxic debt!

Let me introduce Stupidguy2.  It's the taxpayer.  IT'S YOU!  You've all heard of the "$700 bailout plan to unload TOXIC DEBT".  That's you, the taxpayer - left holding the bag on the toxic debt that the hedge funds bought!!!!!  Do you see why I was so mad about the bailout plan?

That high-risk package that got bought up by Richguy2, that cost Richguy2 a lot of money, makes Richguy2 very mad, and he's connected to the President and the Treasury secretary!  Let's get "Joe Sixpack" to work in the factory to pay back the money Richguy2 lost!

So there's no way Joe Sixpack will ever be able to pay this debt off.  Bush knows this, Paulson knows this.  But the government will cash Richguy2 out now, and bankrupt the treasury someday later.  Bush and Paulson know that this will just completely bankrupt the treasury - but they don't care.  Bush will be long gone, and McCain said he WANTS TO KEEP PAULSON ON!

Now here's what's going to happen in this situation.  The asians, who own over half of all of the treasury debt are getting fucking pissed off and are getting ready to ditch the U.S. dollar as the official reserve currency.  Once this happens, the U.S. dollar will completely collapse, it will appear to Joe Sixpack as unbelievable inflation, jobs will completely go, gas will be $40/gallon.

GM, Chrysler, Ford, all history and very soon.  U.S. Treasury?  Bankrupt.  Paulson will not be Treasury secretary because Obama will win, and I really hope he's up for the challenge because there is very little he can do before running out of time.  And when does time run out?  When does the fat lady sing?  When China gives up on the USD and starts trading its currency for a "basket" of international currencies EXCLUSIVELY, like it already has started to, quietly.

China is not stupid.  It's not going to announce that it's ditching the dollar because then the dollar will collapse and China now owns more than half of the US Dollars.  It's diversifying out if it, preparing for a new world order that does not include the U.S., and once it feels like it can take the hit, it will be out of the USD.

I am staring at a black hole where I can't tell where the bottom is.  But I know on the way to the bottom will be a complete financial destruction of the U.S. - far greater than the great depression, and lasting between 45-90 years.

You know, as bad as this unending war with Iraq, the outing of Valerie Plame, the loss of Afghanistan back to the Taliban, quitting the search for Bin Laden, the Katrina disaster, the torture of prisoners at Abu Gharaib, the taking of Clinton's budget surplus and turning it into a record deficit, the collapse of the economy, the mission accomplished carrier landing, earning him the highest unfavorable rating of any US President in history, the one thing I absolutely cannot forgive Bush for was the moment recently when he stood up in front of the American people and said, "we must act now" to avert a collapse in the markets.

We acted now, and the markets are collapsing.

By the time he took the podium, nobody was listening to him anyway, but he still had the swagger to do it.  He couldn't have ended with a more terrible legacy in history, and to top it off, he pitched to the American people the biggest bailout in history to give money back to the hedge fund managers, money that they lost ripping off the American homeowner.

And the US will be completely absolutely a thing of the past.  And that is going to happen, exactly when - who knows, but it's going to happen.

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this just doesn't look good at all...
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If Steve Earle became involved in politics i am certain he would see what a sham it is once he got in the inside.

In regard to your other comment, about get involved or feel victimized & marginalized.

I am involved, because I do believe the system has turned into a sham.

When you say this (even though I believe you are committed in a good way)
"We have a democratic system... and it works well."

I have to spit up a little & gag * lol
Libertarianism is not the total answer, but as americans we should be ashamed that 3rd parties are now offered no major media coverage.

It was no accident that Giuliani & Thompson got tons of major media coverage with virtually no financial support & Ron Paul (with the most private citizen donations at that time) gets constantly cut off early in debates & is totally banished from the presidential candidate lists of major newspapers for months.

That's no accident & whether you liked him or not (I thought he was too weak of a speaker).... that shows people who were paying attention one thing.
There was a media blackout in regards to a candidate who was talking about changing the financial system too much.

I understand you want Obama & worked hard for him....but just because you donated time & feel good about it doesnt make it a well run system.

How do you feel that the guy has been caught plagiarizing verbatim parts of well known speeches? How about his political favors with slumlord Rezko & then Rezko selling Obama his houses property at a huge discount to it's actual value on land sitting right next to Rezko's.

That's business as usual....that we are supposed to look the other way & say "Oh everybody does it"

If people do it once, they do it again & rationalize it to themselves.
Look at Greenspan.....his huge ego still can't admit that he wasnt as sharp as he believed himself to be.
Clinton used the oval office to get head from lipsticked pig, lied to us about it & we are supposed to accept it....
like there could never be any upstanding people in this world who are electable.

It's sad that people are so ready to lower their standards. Then the refrain of "No system is perfect!" to keep us from debating that the system became
overpoweringly corrupt at some juncture.

I also wonder one thing (no disrespect intended)... If you have always lived under this system.....how do you know
"We have a democratic system... and it works well." is actually true?

It seems to me like the sounds of a 5th grade civics lesson being reverberated through you hoping that it just has to be true.

What if you are just used to how things are, because you grew up in it?
Isnt that the same as being somewhat complacent or possibly ignorant of another possible scenario?

I beg you to watch "The Century of the Self" documentary of Freud's nephew Edward Bernays & watch the parts where the US Govt hires him over & over again to mold our habits. Watch who lobbies for this to happen & notice how corporations & banks become more & more entrenched in higher office through Bernays molding of our
habit's & rationales. It is disturbing how fast it happens & how quickly our democracy got spread eagled in the name of capitalism.

I have to question authority. I've met too many people who act confident & look good & don't know sh*t *

Remember....every country educates it's children that it has the best system & that other places are all f'd up.

You think our current civics education is not propaganda, just like everywhere else?
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Hytek,

I sent a reply to someone else & it got sent to you too by mistake.

I just wanted to say from your post earlier, that I am glad to know you through this forum.
& I hope more people will wake up & take your point of view.

I believe too the standard democrat vs republican is old & worn out...just as you described it.
A shell game to keep busy working people focused on the wrong thing.

I hope you are still buying small & local & have your Direct TV turned off.

The longer our TV has stayed off (except for DVD's about 9 months)... the more educated,clear & vocal I start to feel about these issues.

When with other people.... the one thing I notice is TV always provides another random dubious distraction to keep people talking about nothing.

I am glad to be off of it.
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"But the media censored him in the debates"

I thank god when I see other people who realize this & repeat it.
Even if someone hates Ron Paul......if we really live in a 'Free Country".... shouldn't we allow all of the running candidates fair media exposure in the debates?
Posted 10/29/2008 4:10 AM by med267 - recommend - reply

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Keep Drinking the Obama/Democrat KoolAid. HA!

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"get head from lipsticked pig"

Wow. Hate women much?

I have no problem with Ron Paul getting more media awareness. I also
have no problem with Bob Barr, Alan Keyes, Roy Moore and Lyndon
LaRouche getting more media attention.

But if only 2% of people in the country support your nutty ideas, how
do you propose we decide who gets to be in the debates? I mean, can I
declare my candidacy and join the debate too?

"It seems to me like the sounds of a 5th grade civics lesson being
reverberated through you hoping that it just has to be true."

I'm just a bill... sitting here on Capitol Hill...

Yeah, I'm an idealist that way. Sue me. I still believe there is value
in our system.

"What if you are just used to how things are, because you grew up in it?
Isnt that the same as being somewhat complacent or possibly ignorant
of another possible scenario?"

OK, what scenario are you suggesting? You're making me sound old. :)

"I have to question authority. "

I raised my kids the same way. Now I have punk teenagers who does just
that, and I love them for it. But I have also taught them that there
is a process involved in change (read Neil Postman's "The Soft
Revolution") that you should understand too. Nihlism works great at an
Against Me! concert... not so much when you want to stop development
of a soccer field in your city, or get a fair tax assessment... or
elect a president that you believe in.

"Keep Drinking the Obama/Democrat KoolAid. HA!"

Most democrats will be switching to champagne in 6 days... while you
cry in your beer.
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Ya' know folks, none of whats on this blog is going to fix anything, change anything or effect the process of the American polital machine. We can all complain, stop our feet, exchange words back and forth and still we are going to keep on getting screwed by the politians who lie to us, take our tax money and blow it all over the place on themselves.

You have to all stop thinking wordly. If you can connect with GOD and pray with him, your life can be altered and changed for the better and you will be protected. Sooner or later many of us will be completly broken by our economy and we will need to make a choice...just take what the world has to offer or take the free gift of salvation that GOD, The King of Kings has to offer, and his is FREE!

I dont care for either of these candidates, but I have to vote for the one who has the same morales as I beleive.  Line the two up and see who is most qualified, Loves America, is an American, has fought for this country, has years of polital experience to get the job done and who will kick but in the White House for a change. Also I want a candidate who is voting YES on 8 and whi is NOT pro choice to name a couple of things. What we dont need now is a young slick talking, anti american, wont salute our flag, wont repeat the pledge leader of our country, this person has shown his true colors just by those acts alone, not to mention being a anti-semi against Jews and Whites and who knows what else. Deception is his best asset and dumb people in America are buying into his youth and not watching and listening for the truth. This person says he's a Christian but has a Muslim name. this person has his own agenda and most of his own people are voting for him only on race alone, he's got them fooled too. Mark my words, if this person gets into office he is going to get us all bombed!

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You're a racist. And not a very bright one at that... "Anti-semi"? That was funny.

Enjoy your losing strategy.

"Mark my words, if this person gets into office he is going to get us all bombed!"

That sounds like frat party strategy.

But of course, we know that by the same thinking, Bush got us bombed too, right?

It is posts like yours that make me soooo glad we live in a democratic republic... where your particular flavor of theocratic low-information nonsense reaches only minimal levels of representation.

But thanks for playing. Now go rapture or something.
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Maybe we can all get on a boat with 800,000 species and be saved when we part the ocean and cruise around the world. and as stated by RMLSF, "it's Free! Really?

Yea lets let this imaginary dude in the clouds save us, that'll work!
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Gary,

Where have you seen data showing China is unwinding dollars? It seems like the world is abandoning currencies FOR the dollar during the crash.
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BTW,

I agree with your position that real commodities will come back. They may not lead the market for several years but it seems like everything we consume is going to cost more in the future.

I am going to be buying stocks and etf's with commodity exposure for the long term. If the market goes to zero I can trade my gold coins for a loaf of bread.
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I just bought some AAPL this morning.
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You are so smart, why you know everything.

you really make me sick.

Why don't you be quiet and let other people have an openion too.

Or would you have all the CHRISTians be silenced too.

maybe even put us in jail if we are caught mentioning HIS name.

after all they are aal dumb & stupid.

I'm sorry but someday you are going to beg for God to have mercy on your soul and it will be too late.

Like I said before " I feel sorry for you" ........... and your poor wife.
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NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Gold futures rose Wednesday, helped by rallies in global stocks and a weaker dollar. Gold for December delivery rose $10.30, or 1.4%, to $750.80 an ounce in early electronic trading. Gold was rising as "recent movements in both the equity and currency markets suggest some risk appetite is beginning the return," wrote James Moore, an analyst at TheBullionDesk.com.

(Gold Futures Rise)
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Regarding:

"I dont care for either of these candidates, but I have to vote for the one who has the same morales as I beleive.  Line the two up and see who is most qualified, Loves America, is an American, has fought for this country, has years of polital experience to get the job done and who will kick but in the White House for a change. Also I want a candidate who is voting YES on 8 and whi is NOT pro choice to name a couple of things. What we dont need now is a young slick talking, anti american, wont salute our flag, wont repeat the pledge leader of our country, this person has shown his true colors just by those acts alone, not to mention being a anti-semi against Jews and Whites and who knows what else. Deception is his best asset and dumb people in America are buying into his youth and not watching and listening for the truth. This person says he's a Christian but has a Muslim name. this person has his own agenda and most of his own people are voting for him only on race alone, he's got them fooled too. Mark my words, if this person gets into office he is going to get us all bombed!"

Here are a few of my observations on your statement.  I think that both candidates love America and at least Obama was born in America (Hawaii). John McCain was born on an American leased piece of land in Panama (Coco Solo Naval Station).

I can see where you and McCain are personally pro-life but McCain admitted in the last debate that he wants to overturn Roe v Wade because he felt that it was not up to the Federal government to decide but the states should decide for themselves. That rings of pro-choice because it is giving the choice to the states instead of forcing his personal beliefs on others. I do admire him for that. When it comes down to killing, I would think that John McCain the soldier has probably killed more people than Barack Hussein Obama the diplomat. Even if killing is disguised under the pretense label of war, it can still be viewed as murder by some.

Barack was given his name by his parents when he was born. Your implication that by his name alone he should be deemed a Muslim is a similar concept to the way Hitler deemed someone a Jew. In the words of Colin Powell, Powell stated that "[Obama] is a Christian — he's always been a Christian...," and continued, "But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America."  I agree. So what if a person's name is common in Muslim, Buddhist, Hindi, Christian, or Jewish nations?

I am really saddened to see that so many Americans view this nation as one that should follow Arian principles and be led by a white-only, Christian only, leader. That is really racist. Some may be voting on race alone as you say but it sounds that you are voting on race and religion. Luckily we all still have the freedoms to vote that way if so desired, or not.

As for personal agendas, I don't know what Barack's agenda is or McCain's for that matter - only they truly know and all others can only speculate with their conspiracy theories - but those speculations can be drawn equally for both candidates or anybody else for that matter. But I do know that the more I hear the judgemental, racist, words of professed Christians such as you, the more I feel that the true message of the Bible has been lost. Catholicism lost me when I realized that a faith based on the life of a homeless man was being led by a king in a palace. Christianity lost me when I heard the words of its preachers and  followers.

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"get head from lipsticked pig"
>> Wow. Hate women much?

No, I meant marriage breaking Monica Lewinsky, not all women. I looooooooooooooooooooooove me some women. Best thing ever ****

"Nihlism works great at an
Against Me! concert... not so much when you want to stop development
of a soccer field in your city, or get a fair tax assessment... or
elect a president that you believe in."

I think you are talking about way different levels of political involvement.

Being civic minded about smaller things like local involvement is absolutely a different
mindset then saying "Our government, laws & currency have been co-opted by private bankers & corporations since the early 1900's."

Imagine our founding fathers as they got upset & broke away from British obscene taxation & fees on every corner.
You don't think we are being ridden to a much worse taxation, insurance & fiscal hell right now?

"And while some may decry the loss of the middle... to me it is spilled milk."

No that is the power of a society built on unregulated corporate robbery games propagandized to make people feel patriotic about working too much
& getting less & less for their money. Question the government BUT !!!! Don't question the government too much !!! It's not so bad. Now go back to work & making sure that credit rating stays golden while WE pick your pocket. Good boy !!!!!!

Please watch the documentary about Edward Bernays The Century of the Self & how Joseph Goebbels drew on Bernays' techniques to inspire the masses of the Third Reich. Those same techniques were used on the American populace to direct their focus on being non critical thinking CONSUMERS.

We think we are always rational minded & it seems that our ego gets in the way & tells us " I am right.....you are wrong"


Check out the free book "War is a racket" by Major General Smedley Butler. The most decorated Marine up until his death.
Then check google "The Bonus Army" & read how Douglas Mc Carthur & Patton shot & wounded veterans & family members who peacefully assembled in Washington DC. Eisenhower was there when it happened. Butler warned FDR of a fascist industrialist conspiracy that tried to overthrow the govt. That was investigated & found to be true & still nothing was done to the conspirators.

Butler was the called upon by the soldiers to lead them, as they trusted him.
At the time he was THE only soldier to receive the Medal Of Honor two times !
Their is a reason people don't grow up hearing about this guy.

Read about how FDR makes it illegal to possess gold privately:

Just two days after his inauguration, Roosevelt ordered a "bank holiday" closing all the banks in the country from Monday March 6 through Thursday March 9. He proclaimed that there was a "national emergency" caused by "heavy and unwarranted withdrawals of gold and currency" for the purpose of "hoarding." Of course, "hoarding" simply means people holding on to their own money. Roosevelt called it "hoarding" to make it seem like evil or immature behaviour. It was the typical politician's ploy of blaming the government's woes on the people's vices.

On March 9, the Senate passed the Emergency Banking Act after very little debate. This gave the Secretary of the Treasury the power to compel every person and business in the country to relinquish their gold and accept paper currency in exchange.

The next day, Friday March 10, Roosevelt issued Executive Order No. 6073, forbidding people from sending gold overseas and forbidding banks from paying out gold.

Pretty good for his first week in office. But wait, there's more.

On April 5, Roosevelt issued Executive Order No. 6102. This was the order to confiscate everybody's gold. It commanded everybody to deliver their gold and gold certificates to the Federal Reserve bank, where they would be paid in paper money. You could keep up to $100.00 in gold, but anything above that was illegal. Gold had become a controlled substance. Possession was punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 and imprisonment for up to 10 years.

Now the only people with a claim to gold in the Treasury were foreigners holding dollars. Since he was on such a roll, Roosevelt decided to rip them off too. On January 31, 1934, Roosevelt issued another Executive Order. Here he declared that the dollar was now only 59.06% of its former gold quantum of 23.22 grains. Now the dollar was only worth 13.71 grains of gold.

Look at it from the point of view of one of these hapless foreigners. It used to cost you only $20.67 to get a troy ounce of gold. Now it cost you $35.00. The U.S. government, under the dictatorship of Roosevelt, had just stolen 40% of your money.

By burglarizing the rest of the world, Roosevelt made the Great Depression even Greater. It was more Global because he had impoverished millions of foreigners, and it was more Persistent because he had ruined the good credit of the United States.

Not bad for his first year in office.

Some have suggested that FDR had no choice because if he had allowed the "run" to continue, soon there would be no more gold in the U.S. Treasury to back the gold certificates.

But how could that be? Each gold certificate certified that there was a certain amount of gold in the Treasury payable to the bearer on demand. The law decreed that $20.67 would get you one troy ounce of gold, which was just sitting there in the vault waiting for you to "demand" it.

In his excellent 1935 book Monetary Mischief, George Robinson claims that these gold reserves really did exist. Maybe so, maybe not. Either way, FDR was not honouring the redemption promise. The U.S. was now running a con game, having printed "gold certificates" that in fact could not be redeemed for gold at all.

Imagine if e-gold or GoldMoney suddenly began issuing new digital gold grams without having the real gold grams to match them. That would be theft and counterfeiting. Certainly creating even more fictional gold grams would not be the solution to this problem.

We get raped again & again & then get called 'Nutty' for wanting a change from the status quo.


I have a favorite former hippy uncle who is idealistic & believes in orderly change through voting, but that is not going to happen *

The only change that can happen is economic revolution.

Bankrupt big companies & utilities.....spend your dollars with small local companies & don't spend any with large corporations.
Posted 10/29/2008 12:03 PM by med267 - recommend - reply

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I've noticed with all you liberals EVERYTHING is tolerated..................except Christianity.
Posted 10/29/2008 12:03 PM by isawthelight2 - recommend - reply

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By the way....FDR's father was one of the framers of the 13 international banks private consortium now known as "The federal reserve"
Federal like as in "Fedex" !!!!
Posted 10/29/2008 12:10 PM by med267 - recommend - reply

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@isawthelight2 - To clarify - my political leanings are Centrist and possibly closest to Libertarian. I believe that a government should be fiscally conservative and small. The people that work in government should also be held accountable and responsible. In the areas of social programs, I think that education, health, and the arts are to be promoted to the extent possible but welfare should be more limited. I would rather see the government provide opportunity than to just hand out checks for doing nothing. I am not fond of labor unions. I aslo don't feel that America should be an aggressor in trying to push its version of democracy on other nations or be in the business of empire building. America should lead by example and treat others how it would wish others to treat America. That also means that America should do everything in its power to defend itself at home and should be tactical in bringing to justice individuals responsible for attacks on America or it's citizens.

As for tolerance of Christianity, having worshipped in Christian churches and even married in one, I am highly tolerant of the principles defined in the Bible. However, I am not so impressed by the many followers that have warped those principles. But I wouldn't go as far as trying to change them or even stop them unless they pose a direct threat to my life. My experiences with congregations that used the Bible as their reason to be self-serving, judgemental, and racist left a bad taste in my mouth. I am no longer a member of man's church for those reasons. I prefer to worship in God's church instead. So if you had to classify me it would be closer to a Universalist in principle, possibly Unitarian at that but that would also imply an association with the church of man and that would not be the case.

Peace.

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"I prefer to worship in God's church instead. So if you had to classify me it would be closer to a Universalist in principle, possibly Unitarian at that but that would also imply an association with the church of man and that would not be the case."

Me too.
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"Bankrupt big companies & utilities.....spend your dollars with small local companies"

Admirable idea in principle... but next to impossible in practice.
Posted 10/29/2008 1:25 PM by fjblau - recommend - reply

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"As for tolerance of Christianity, having worshipped in Christian churches and even married in one, I am highly tolerant of the principles defined in the Bible. However, I am not so impressed by the many followers that have warped those principles. But I wouldn't go as far as trying to change them or even stop them unless they pose a direct threat to my life. My experiences with congregations that used the Bible as their reason to be self-serving, judgemental, and racist left a bad taste in my mouth. I am no longer a member of man's church for those reasons. I prefer to worship in God's church instead. So if you had to classify me it would be closer to a Universalist in principle, possibly Unitarian at that but that would also imply an association with the church of man and that would not be the case."

I find it interesting all of the Unitarian's haven't dissapointed you and fjblau?
Posted 10/29/2008 2:40 PM by isawthelight2 - recommend - reply

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"Keep Drinking the Obama/Democrat KoolAid. HA!"

I haven't had a chance to read much of this, but I'm begging for one thing. Can we please quit using the very dumb and doofusy sounding "Kool-Aid" analogy.

First, 900 people died, brutally from cyanide poisoning. Mothers and fathers fed it to their children, then watch them writhe in agony.
Second, it's the dumbest overused expression to surface in the last few years.
Third, people who say it are invariably fulfilling it.

uptonjb if you need another tragic event to use as a ridiculously stupid/goofball metaphor, how about:

"Keep flying the Obama/Democrat Plane into the tower. HA!"

See my point? The next person to use it, is without a doubt, a giant giant dork. I can't wait to make fun of them.

Sorry. That's been welling up inside for a while :)
Posted 10/29/2008 2:44 PM by JarrettGreen - recommend - reply

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qnetx, one of the most thoughtful, intelligent guys around. I read all his posts.
Not sure if we are always on the exact same page, but the world wouldnt be a bad place with more people like him.
Posted 10/29/2008 6:55 PM by med267 - recommend - reply

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“ it would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government …”
- David Rockefeller in Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
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