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Thursday, October 02, 2008

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING, PLEASE

 You have two senators representing you, and one congressperson.
As of this moment, your congressperson has the power to thwart this ridiculous bill to bailout the rich hedge fund managers for their greed.
The ONLY hurry right now is not the frozen credit markets (once they pass this bill, lending is still going to be halted as banks hoard the cash), but it's the presidential election.  President Bush is pleading with you to swallow $700 billion in debt because his rich friends got hosed by their own greed, and he's trying to get it back for them.  One month to "think about it" is not too much to ask.
Paulson and Bush are trying to ram this bill through, and the Senate just caved.  I am very very bummed that both candidates voted in favor.  It is now down to the House of Representatives, and oddly enough, I am so impressed by the House Republicans for being the last stand for reason in voting down the bill.
It's not about being a Democrat or Republican - it's about right or wrong, and in this instance, the House Republicans are Custard's last stand.  I truly am very thankful for the House Republicans in this instance.
Now the Senate has passed a bill because it has a lot of things the Senate was looking for, in terms of tax cuts, increase to FDIC limits, etc.  But the fact remains that Paulson will get $700 billion of your taxpayer dollars to buy ANYTHING he wants at ANY PRICE.  And it won't stop at $700 billion and the next Treasury Secretary will be able to continue buying junk with your hard-earned tax dollars.
This is the most horrific part.  Senator McCain said that he is considering keeping Secretary Paulson on, should he get elected.  Secretary Paulson, as former CEO of Goldman Sachs, the fox in charge of the henhouse, held the U.S. Treasury in his control as he let his competitors in banking collapse, all while having (what was) hundreds of millions of dollars in Goldman stock.  And now, he and Bush want you the taxpayer to give them a bunch of money before the Administration changes.
Please, please google this bailout plan - read all the opinions on it and ask yourself one key question.  Can this wait a little longer so we can think about it?  After all, it's YOUR money.  CLICK HERE TO CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSPERSON
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umm yeah, they need this so the credit market will start lending again, do you watch libor rates, or just falling gold?
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Posted 10/2/2008 9:33 AM by spencer402 - recommend - reply

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@zoonenschein - 



he is "super long term" at some point, maybe 45-90 years from now gold will be above $1000/ounce (when it was "cheap") It won't matter that adjusted for inflation which it can't keep pace with it will just be up, but then again we will be a third world country, or the world will have simply ended or melted away.
Posted 10/2/2008 9:37 AM by spencer402 - recommend - reply

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It amazes me how many of you think that the alternative - doing nothing - is acceptable here. Do you not realize that we are in deep shit, and something has to be done? Go take a peek at bloomberg.com to see what I mean. Photographers, if nothing is done, who do you think will continue to pay for your services and keep you in business? The fees you are used to charging for shooting a wedding will disappear. So please, continue to oppose taking action and see how far that gets you. We have no choice but to do something as much as the thought of bailing out Wall Street makes me sick.  
Posted 10/2/2008 9:41 AM by jacksonwholephoto - recommend - reply

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The bailout is not the answer. Just because it is the only proposed solution does not mean its the only solution. Vote no on this money and powergrab and encourage our elected leaders to come up with a REAL solution and not by using more debt to pay off debt. If you borrow money to pay off your credit card, maybe you can charge on it and live it up a little longer. But then what happens when you max out? Borrow more. We need to cut big government spending and and pay down the debt. The bigger the debt gets, the harder the economy will crash. Think of government as if it is a family with a budget. You pay for what you can afford and live within your means. This recession will happen with or without the bailout. The bailout is just using debt to pay off more debt. Like getting a home equity loan to pay off your credit card. Now you are in debt deeper with more to lose if you can't pay.
Posted 10/2/2008 9:49 AM by Cinematographer - recommend - reply

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@Cinematographer - Don't be an idiot. Read your history so you'll know just how bad things will get if something isn't done. See you in the soup line. 

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@jacksonwholephoto - 

Perhaps you misread my post. This bailout isn't a good solution. Something needs to be done but not this. And by the way, those who have soup don't need to go to the soup line. Glad I have lots of soup.
Posted 10/2/2008 10:12 AM by Cinematographer - recommend - reply

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"Anyone who thinks this bill is a panacea is [making] a mistake," he said. "Without it, it's a disaster." - Warren Buffett


hmmm, I know who I would put my money on
Posted 10/2/2008 10:13 AM by spencer402 - recommend - reply

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We're being told by government officials and much of the media that Congress must decide between:
-Voting NO and allowing the destruction of the global financial system; or
-Voting YES and saving the global financial system by empowering the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to bailout troubled financial institutions up to a cost of $700 billion (more likely trillions of dollars ultimately).

However, the reality is that Congress must decide between:
-Voting NO and allowing the free market to liquidate bad debts and unviable companies through allowing market prices to prevail; and
-Voting YES and empowering the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve to bailout troubled financial institutions with $700 billion (more likely trillions of dollars) of additional debt, leading to more inflation of the dollar at best and the destruction of the dollar at worst.
Posted 10/2/2008 10:17 AM by Cinematographer - recommend - reply

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@spencer402 - Exactly, which is what caused me to change my mind in support of the bailout.   

Posted 10/2/2008 10:21 AM by jacksonwholephoto - recommend - reply

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This is no time for "tough love," by the way.
Posted 10/2/2008 10:22 AM by jacksonwholephoto - recommend - reply

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OOH NO!
WHAT WILL FRANK DO NOW WITHOUT "TimRayPhoto"

MUST BE TIME OF THE MONTH FOR YOU AGAIN...
THIS IS LIKE THE 8TH TIME YOU THROW ONE OF YOUR LIL FITS...

"I'M LEAVING!"

WE'LL MISS YOU BUT NO ONE IS GOING TO STOP YOU.
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Ten Reasons Not To Bail Out Wall Street
Catherine, Geopolitical, Life and News & Commentary, October 1, 2008 at 6:10 pm
by Catherine Austin Fitts and Carolyn Betts, Esq.
www.solari.com

(1) Crime that pays is crime that stays.

There is reason to believe that Wall Street and those they represent are holding loans without collateral, multiple loans secured by the same properties, and other fraudulent instruments among the “troubled assets.” Based on the secret “Treasury Conference Call” with 800 Wall Street insiders, we know the deal proposed to be passed by Congress isn’t the real deal promised to Wall Street.

(2) This smells like obstruction of justice.

Bail-out without due diligence of so called “troubled assets” is a perfect way to hide documentation of financial crimes. It is also a perfect means to launder both the past ill-gotten gains and new federal money spent recklessly and without necessary safeguards and oversight mechanisms. Be very suspicious when they tell you “we just can’t tell what’s in these troubled assets.” We can assure you that the federal government has field offices all across the country that deal with significant amounts of real estate and mortgage assets on a dailyl basis. If Treasury refuses for more than a decade to comply with the laws, with approximately $4 trillion missing (and counting), it is not competent to manage $700 billion of taxpayer money while its arm is twisted by Wall Street.

(3) Wall Street owes the federal government money.

We need to get stolen money back from the banks that served as depositories for the US government (including trillions for which the Pentagon and HUD could not account) and punish them, not create another opportunity for them to game the system and engage in criminal enterprises to rob consumers. To the extent there has been regulatory wrong-doing, let’s not let the miscreants leave town with the evidence.


(4) Good guys are shut out.

A bail-out provides no way for honest leaders to come to the fore and use their creativity and expertise to restore balance and integrity to the system or for unproductive and poorly-managed banks that contribute to current over-capacity in the banking system to die a dignified death.

(5) This results in more investment in the “bubble economy.”

Spending massive amounts on non-productive uses (“buying” worthless credit default swaps, mortgages with no collateral and derivatives, which could even include the derivatives used to manipulate the precious metals markets) as opposed to productive uses (repairing infrastructure, creating alternative energy systems, supporting inventing and production of “green” products) is inflationary.

This bail-out will drive prices of food, water and energy up for the people who can least afford it.

(6) Bail-out does not result in capital circulating in healthy ways.

The bail-out of Wall Street and too-big-to-fail banks and insurance companies that are getting bigger by the minute by swallowing up other failing financial institutions (and creating more institutions that are “too big to fail”) does not result in trickle-down to those whose money was stolen in recent swindles (S&L, dot.com, current housing crisis), i.e., the taxpayers/middle class and working poor.

(7) These arrangements will result in more corruption.

Centralized “fixes” are sure to result in black holes, no-bid contracts and other scandals.

(8) The bail-out drains the real economy, rather than invests in the real economy.

The US economy can’t be productive or grow if consumers don’t have jobs and can’t afford to purchase goods and services. Real stimulation of Main Street is accomplished through productive investment, not bail-outs that shift money to unproductive sectors. We should use all of our precious resources to reinvest in our people in the real economy.

(9) It props up sectors that need to downsize and consolidate.

There is significant overcapacity in the financial and banking sectors. Brainpower and talent needs to stop blowing financial bubbles and shift to economic activities that create real value.

(10) It is a temporary “fix” to keep Wall Street afloat until after the election.

Our resources are better invested in permanent, long-term solutions. This bail-out will not fix anything. Rather, it will help the perpetrators get away and ensure that the ultimate day of reckoning is worse.

The Administration wants to drain the real economy to bail out Wall Street. It seems to us that the more appropriate plan would be to require Wall Street to return the $4 trillion plus that is missing and use that to rebuild the real economy.

We think the time has come to reverse the flow. Go to any business school in the country. That is what they teach. Money should move out of unproductive sectors into productive sectors. The bail-out does just the opposite.

“Just say NO!”
Posted 10/2/2008 10:31 AM by Cinematographer - recommend - reply

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Legendary investor Catherine Austin Fitts, wait nope never heard that before.

I like how she gives 10 reasons to just say no, yet doesn't give one possible solution.
Posted 10/2/2008 10:48 AM by spencer402 - recommend - reply

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I am very hesitant about this bailout.  I think something should be done, but not the way they are doing it.  Here's an interesting link though.  I just about fell over laughing at this great rant by O'reilly. Good Stuff....   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDou01X5d28
Posted 10/2/2008 11:10 AM by Palin_is_HOT - recommend - reply

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decisions...i'm at a lost of words when it comes to this bailout.
Posted 10/2/2008 11:20 AM by Anonymous - recommend - reply

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It has gotten worse, I really understood bad things would happen and we needed it but now after the senate has taken it it is just unreal. Puerto Rican rum Co. Toy Company, Race track. tax breaks. The basically went to every politician and said What do you want in there for your vote?. Most of congress and the Senate is prostituting themselves for votes and paybacks. There is no more trust. What is the salary of a Politician? Barney Frank took thousands from Co. who benefited from the reason we are in this mess. Obama sued a bank when he was a lawyer for not giving low income people risky loans. Have you seen the Acorn stuff??  Then you have McCain vote yes without looking through this. Palin is a lamb being brought to slaughter with Obama's book writer asking questions tonight. This country is great, our reps are changing that. Did Bush really have to do this without other alternatives. WHERE is ROSS PEROT?? I am disgusted.
Posted 10/2/2008 11:24 AM by ShooterSteve - recommend - reply

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@ShooterSteve - And waht would Ross Perot do? I am sure he benefitted too in some way.

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@jacksonwholephoto - Well I meant that more figuratively - a true Maverick to come in. Ross said all the right things and didn't have a political track record. Which to my dismay is enough. Actually I believe Sarah is that in her heart but her brain is just  not really ready.

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You got that right - "her brain is just not really ready."
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jacksonwhole - I really like the Wesley icon. Makes you lovable.
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Thanks, Gary. In these difficult and trying times, it takes a loveable mug like Wesley's to help us keep things in perspective.  
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this whole thing makes me sick... and i doubt the House is going to stop the bill this time ...
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looks like the House's website is down for now...
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I'd rather you keep posting the political crap. You've won me over because of it.
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I did email my senators.  I thought I would share the response that I received...

Dear Mrs. Key:

Thank you for contacting me regarding the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. I welcome your thoughts and comments on this issue.

On September 19, 2008, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson announced a plan by the Bush Administration to stabilize the financial services sector of the economy. This plan included broad authority for the Treasury Secretary to purchase troubled financial instruments with very limited oversight and few protections for taxpayers.

In July, I voted against a similar proposed bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because it did not provide taxpayer protection and limits on executive compensation for a government owned entity. For the same reasons, I was not willing to support the Administration’s initial proposal, and I encouraged my colleagues to continue work on a plan that would protect taxpayers, provide strict oversight, and place limits on the benefits to executives who accept taxpayer assistance.

In the days following the Treasury Secretary’s announcement, concerns about the danger to the broader economy deepened. The high-profile failure of numerous financial institutions caused the commercial lending market to accumulate and hold cash. The credit markets effectively froze, making it difficult for consumers to obtain loans for purchases such as homes and automobiles. The lack of lending in these areas began to place further pressure on the troubled housing market and threatened to spread deeper into the economy. Similarly, many small and mid-sized businesses were finding it difficult to obtain financing to meet their payroll obligations and purchase inventory. Many cities were entering the bond market and getting no bids, even with AAA ratings. The current liquidity crisis still poses a real potential for significant job losses. After consulting with numerous financial experts, small businesses, and bankers in Texas, it became clear to me that normal commercial lending activity would not resume without action by Congress.

Despite this realization, I was still not inclined to support the Paulson plan. After weeks of negotiation, however, a bi-partisan compromise was reached. While there are provisions in the bill that I do not favor and would not have drafted, overall the need for action to stabilize the market and to protect the retirement savings of millions of Americans weighed heavily on my mind. Ultimately, I supported the Senate bill along with 73 of my colleagues. The bill we passed was a major improvement over the initial plan announced by Secretary Paulson.

We increased the deposit insurance cap from $100,000 to $250,000 so that families will have added protection for savings and retirement accounts. While the initial proposal authorized up to $700 billion to purchase distressed assets, the measure we passed takes a more cautious approach, initially authorizing $250 billion and requiring the approval from Congress and the President for additional funding. Importantly, the bill we passed includes restrictions on the benefits received by executives whose companies are selling some of their distressed assets to the government. In return for purchasing the assets, taxpayers will obtain an ownership stake in the companies. Many leading economists believe that the real estate market will turn around in the foreseeable future and government owned properties and assets will be sold at a profit. A provision in this bill that I supported requires any profits realized to be placed in the nation’s treasury to reduce the deficit. If, however, after five years the government is facing a loss in the program, the President must submit a plan to Congress recommending how the money will be recouped from financial services companies. I believe that these protections are a dramatic improvement over the Administration’s initial proposal.

The bill passed by the Senate included an important package of tax policy provisions. One of these provisions is an extension of the state and local sales tax deduction, which is a matter of fairness for states like Texas that do not have a state income tax. The average Texan will save $520 when they file their federal income tax forms next year. We also shielded low and middle-income taxpayers from higher taxes associated with the flawed alternative minimum tax (AMT) and included tax incentives to spur energy production and innovation including the wind energy production tax credit and the research and development tax credit.

As Texans, we have learned to take responsibility for our actions and being asked to pay for the mistakes of others is something many, including myself, find deeply troubling. However, after careful deliberation, I believe that the risks associated with doing nothing outweighed the risk of passing a less than perfect bill that nevertheless includes important protections for taxpayers. Economic evidence clearly suggested the problems were spreading into the broader economy. That is why I voted for the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.

I appreciate hearing from you. Please do not hesitate to contact me on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Kay Bailey Hutchison
United States Senator

Posted 10/15/2008 9:58 PM by akershkey - recommend - reply

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