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Saturday, August 30, 2008

STARTING TO FEEL PATRIOTIC ABOUT THE USA

 
My apathy after the US declared war on a country on the false pretenses of weapons of mass destruction that were never found; a country that completely let an entire city go desperate without water/food after a natural disaster, a country that allowed torture in violation of Geneva conventions, a country that had no oversight as predatory lending practices, massive tax cuts for the wealthy to the great detriment of the middle class - all of these things I knew were coming in 2000, which made me direct my future to the country to the north - I am feeling a little hopeful again.
Special interests have been running the USA for nearly a decade now, exchanging political favors for campaign support.  With the Obama campaign, it was literally a grass-roots, internet-based campaign that raised the incredible amount of money to win the primaries.  And as I donated to the Obama campaign last night (you're not allowed to contribute much by law) I felt like maybe there was hope for the middle class.
I am so sick of people saying, "you're rich, you should vote for McCain".  Fuck you.  There is absolutely NO REASON for more tax breaks for the rich that is ridiculous.  The middle class has taken a huge hit in the last eight years, and what drives me nuts is it's the red states that powered that stupid administration to its second win.  These red states have been hit the hardest.
The Bush Administration unfairly favored people who had high income or assets.  OK I am one of those people - and it is ridiculous.  Maybe I am in the minority, but higher taxes are FINE as long as they are FAIR.  The last eight years, the tax breaks - two credits in short succession that wiped out the budget surplus, tax breaks that heavily favored the rich - were WRONG.  The tax breaks that I (we) got were VERY unfair to the middle class.
The treasury bailed out Bear Stearns - after they went nuts and created mortgage funds that completely sucked the middle class into predatory lending (with no oversight) - but did the government bail out any of the homeowners who lost their homes?  No, but good thing that Bush is pro-life!  He sure helped out when he chose Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court, a woman with a pro-choice history.  Yeah Bush really cared about your silly little abortion judgemental attitude.
The middle class got completely fooled by simple slogans ("flip-flopper") and voted with their pastors.  Now, after eight years, the middle class is hosed, the rich got richer, and it was completely unfair.  Maybe, if this country - if the middle class - is mad enough and mobilizes enough for a revolution against the system that unfairly favors the oil companies, large corporations, and the rich - maybe there is hope for the USA.

I still am cynical, because part of me is absolutely sure that the voters will again do the wrong thing and not know what happened, and more annoyingly, be completely certain that Bush was the greatest vote for America.  Yes, for the rich - devastating for the poor and the middle class.
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I am cynical too   ...  However  this  week  I saw  a  somewhat of  a  light at the end of the tunnel... while I was hearing  Obama Speech ..I was thinking back at 1 , 2, 3 , 4 , 5  years  ago.. WHO would've thougth  that he would  be  so close to the ticket ?  I still have some  hopes   that the americans will make the right choice ...not just  for the amricans  but  for the WORLD!

Posted 8/30/2008 6:36 PM by MLyssaD - recommend - reply

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Gary, I have a question for you: Do you really think Obama can fund all of his new programs just by raising taxes on the rich? Many of the so-called rich are small business owners.
Posted 8/30/2008 6:42 PM by TimRayPhoto - recommend - reply

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"Do you really think Obama can fund all of his new programs just by raising taxes on the rich? "

My goodness Tim, didn't you learn what a non-sequitir was in the last debate?

Why don't you FIRST look into Obama's positions and his economic policies actually ARE before reposting what you heard Rush Limbaugh tell you, ok?
Posted 8/30/2008 6:48 PM by fjblau - recommend - reply

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America, you had your one and only chance for REAL change, through Ron Paul. Unfortunately, you'll get what you deserve: more of the same!
Posted 8/30/2008 7:03 PM by RichTOguy - recommend - reply

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America, you had your one and only chance for REAL change, through Ron Paul. Unfortunately, you'll get what you deserve: more of the same!
Posted 8/30/2008 7:04 PM by RichTOguy - recommend - reply

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Dude, for a LOT of McCain supporters, it's so not about the economy! 

It's about love for the tiniest most helpless human beings...the unborn.  I will always, always, always vote pro-life...red, blue...doesn't matter.  Obama wants change, okay...let's finally overturn Roe V. Wade (as Roe wishes)...and I'll stand behind the candidate who that makes that happen.  Abortion isn't birth control, it's murder.

If you support abortion...I beg of you...go spend some time in a neonatal intensive care unit and watch a 24, 26, or 28 week premie demonstrate a fight for life -- it will take your breath away.  Go meet infertile couples who desperately want to have children but can't afford the expense of adoption.  And then ask yourself...is it really necessary to kill 1.25 MILLION babies in the United States each year?  1.25 MILLION!  Did you realize that 10 out of the 50 states have less than 1.25 million residents?  It's like each year we allow the entire state of Hawaii to be killed.  And you wonder why more than a few people care about something other than the economy when they step into the voting booth. 

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@fjblau - Frank why don't you enlighten me about Obama's positions and economic policies???

Tell us how is he going to solve the health care crisis in America? $$$

Tell us how he is going to eliminate all dependency on foreign oil in ten years, without drilling here?

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@bluesky93 - Dan, you are absolutely right, I couldn't have said it better.

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Dan: I vote in support of a woman's right to choose. I am glad you believe so strongly, but I respectfully disagree with your definition of murder. Reproductive rights of women have (so far) been upheld by the Supreme Court and will continue to be under the leadership of the candidates I support. No apologies.

Tim: Once again, wanting me to do your homework so you can continue to ask questions that serve to do nothing more than change the subject. I am sure no matter once answer I gave you would not be sufficient to sway you from voting with the anti-science crowd... so I won't bother pasting in information that, once again, is but one google search away for you. Freakin' yawn.
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I support a baby's right to life.  Have always, will always.  No apologies. 

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Well there we have it.

Thank goodness we live in a democracy to arbitrate such intractable disputes between citizens.

Frank
Posted 8/30/2008 8:04 PM by fjblau - recommend - reply

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umm are you really saying that there is no special interest money flooding to the obama campaign?
Posted 8/30/2008 10:00 PM by spencer402 - recommend - reply

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Let me get this straight: with all the major issues on the plate this election (the war, the economy...), Gary's insightful audience just wants to bring it all back to abortion and other religion-nutbar issues. Did any of you watch the DNC; do any of you read anything other than the limited topics your parents drilled into your heads in Sunday school? Did any of you bother to actually read Gary's post? As I stated earlier, America is going to get exactly what it deserves: more of the same!
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"umm are you really saying that there is no special interest money flooding to the obama campaign?"

Um, are you SAYING I said that?

Crikey, wingnuts and their non-sequitirs.
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@TimRayPhoto - 



We probably could've gotten off to a good start on health care with all the money we have squandered in Iraq. Not to mention that we would have saved over 4000 American lives, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Even YOU would have to agree that a living, breathing person is much healthier than a dead one.
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Apparently, the "right to life" only extends from conception to delivery.

And of course, the obvious logic that if we taught actual sex education and made birth control available there would be less abortions seems to be off the table with the fundies too.

Wingnuts... vote 'em all out.
Posted 8/31/2008 12:08 AM by fjblau - recommend - reply

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you're rich, you should vote for McCain!
Posted 8/31/2008 12:19 AM by lelandwong Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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say what???!!!
Posted 8/31/2008 12:19 AM by lelandwong Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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sex ed in schools = great idea
birth control for girls in school = better idea
Posted 8/31/2008 2:28 AM by missycarl - recommend - reply

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Dan if you think making abortion illegal would work and save lives you are completely fooling yourself. All it would do is push abortion underground in any country that introduced it. Which is what has happened in some countries around the world. You would in fact increase the death rate because there would be women and girls dying in illegal abortion clinics having abortions by untrained people. Plus others dying from trying to get rid of the baby themselves by whatever means. On top of this do you honestly think it is fair for a women who has been raped to be forced not to have an abortion if she so wishes? Are you saying you would prefer that women or young girl to to go through an even worse living hell for something that was not her fault? These are the questions you need to ask yourself.

Missy is totally spot on with the general need to improve sex education and provide birth control in schools. It needs to be free as well though.
Posted 8/31/2008 6:37 AM by stuartallen - recommend - reply

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Oh my goodness....this is starting out all over again to be the Tim and Frank Debate Blog!

I dont beleive either one of these candidates will be able to fix the mess our country is in. And I bet you that this country will vote once more for a Republican.

Posted 8/31/2008 6:47 AM by rmlsf - recommend - reply

Iraq used weapons of mass destruction in the past and funded terror states. Saying weapons of mass destruction for Iraq was a "false pretense" is as cowardly and dishonest as saying your lightsphere business has nothing to do with photography since you don't sell cameras. Your conditions for feeling patriotic are pretty watered down and unfounded and they are largely based on popular opinion. I also feel that there are very few to no conditions in which you'd actually strap on body armor, pick up an M-4 and do what you had to do for America's good regardless of what your neighbors thought. In other words, what would it take for you to rememember that there are causes worth dying for, and at times even having to kill for? Patriotism which celebrates only the easy, the glib, the fun, and the temporary is simply fanboy bandwagon feel good times - it is not love. It's like someone who only loves their wife for when she is dressed to the nines and bringing in a paycheck. Real patriotism, and real love, find love for their object in the most difficult of circumstances and times, and they never waver.
Posted 8/31/2008 7:06 AM by Anonymous - recommend - reply

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@igroveman - 

Iraq used weapons of mass destruction in the past, and funded terror states? So, if that is true, it's okay to go in and kill innocent people, and create a country that lives in a constant terror from all those bombs, since the Americans invaded it?

Funny, the US did that, too to a larger degree (atomic bomb), now that is a weapon of mass destruction. The only country that used it against another country. The US funded a whole slew of terror states, including Afghanistan, Irak (against Iran), a few South American states, and some we probably don't know yet. Turned their eyes away from African countries who lived in terror, because "those" terrorists do not have any commercial value.

Is it true that Saudi Arabia funds terrorist groups? Some of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis? Are they not considered "friends" with the US? Who is being dishonest with the American people?
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You really need to read up about Iraq a lot more. Your knowledge of what happened is several years out of date. You might then understand about the 'false pretence' comment and how correct it is. Your views of what you think happened and what evidence there was would be ridiculed in the UK. Don't get me wrong that is not your fault because the US press believed everything they were told. In the UK the press and TV stations checked things out for themselves far more.
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Oh Richard just read your post. You know your stuff. Spot on.
Posted 8/31/2008 7:33 AM by stuartallen - recommend - reply

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