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Friday, April 28, 2006

 VERY VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT POST
ABOUT THE POWER CONSOLE TRADEMARK INFRINGEMENT

Recently, I got a lot of emails from the "texasphotoforum.com" forums (cool regional forum for texas area photographers) about a photographer named Ivan who knocked off our Album Software - including infringing on the trade dress properties we own in "Power Console" and especially, "Autodrop" trademarks.
To put it very simply, Trademark infringement is defined as "false designation of origin" which means that if you design a product, market it under identifying marks or "dress" so that it is unique, and somebody copies those identifying marks that make your product unique, you can recover lost sales in Federal Court.  You can also recover triple the damages if it is willful, and under the new bankruptcy laws, you can recover wages until the losses are made whole, which could be an entire lifetime.

The standard for an action is "likelihood of confusion" - you don't even have to prove it.  All the court needs to see is that the products are similar, or "appear" similar.

In this case, Ivan created the following console after posting on the forum: " While i refuse to just hand him (Gary Fong) $100 for some photoshop actions, i decided to make my own collection of actions for my album designing needs."  This pretty much satisfied the question of, "was it willful"
In comparing the two Power Consoles side by side, you can see direct evidence of trademark infringement because he actually used the term "Autodrop" as well as the appearance of the Power Console:

 

I think that pretty much passes the test of confusion in trade-dress.

He went on to write:

"How is it stealing if i can make my own actions? ... i did like his idea of compiling it together...i don't think i stole his "codes"
Just because you don't know something is against the law doesn't make it legal.  It appears that he doesn't know the weight of his actions, but the problem is that he has put out software and he put it on an FTP server with no license agreement.  So he cannot verify how many copies are out there, and he has to honor our guesses at damages.  The damages are calculated by how many sales we may have lost, and since he doesn't have records, his liability could possibly last forever.
He has agreed to settle by reimbursing us $99 for every copy that has been downloaded from the FTP server or if you've been given his set of actions from somebody else.  His  software is called, "Ivan's Digital Book Actions" and I think he was up to version 1.3, which makes us think there are a lot of copies out there.  If you have a copy, you may qualify for a reward.  Just email me at "escalate@garyfong.com"
What is probably most crazy is that he gave it away free, so he's going to have to reimburse us for each copy.  He can settle and pay us voluntarily, or we can take it through the federal courts, where he'd have to pay triple, plus all of our prosecuting costs.
Last time we sued on a Trademark issue in federal court, a jury awarded us $245,000 plus costs and attorney's fees:  CLICK HERE TO READ THE JUDGEMENT


One thing I should add is that people wonder why I need to be so litigious.  In this case as well as all prior trademark infringement cases, I have had to sue because to allow infringement weakens the strength of the mark.
A common question is why does this constitute copyright infringement?  It doesn't.  This constitutes trademark infringement, which is much more serious.  Trademark infringements cause a confusion between two products, whereas copyright infringement is limited to text or visual arts reproductions.
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If you are an honorable man you will not accept any money from this guy. This will be a good test for you to see what you are really motivated by; the good of the wedding photography trade or your own personal motivations.

Let your true colors shine Gary!
Posted 4/28/2006 10:30 AM by otto802 - recommend - reply

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Oh I'm honorable. Read the second to last sentence from above.
Posted 4/28/2006 10:31 AM by garyfong1 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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Go get 'em Gary!  :)  You are a businessman, not a charity.  We all profit (or hope to profit) from our photography skills...I don't know too many photographers who work for nothin'!  (Close to nothin', perhaps, but ya get what you pay for!)

BTW -- how does one put a value on specific Photoshop actions, or is this not material to the suit?  The reason I ask is that so many people share Photoshop actions / settings -- how does one  know if they are getting something proprietary or not? 

Posted 4/28/2006 11:18 AM by bluesky93 Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

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It's easy to put a unit value - it's the cost $99 per unit.
Posted 4/28/2006 11:24 AM by garyfong1 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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Just a question then..

A photographer is Not allowed to make their own actions now?

Jim

Posted 4/28/2006 11:44 AM by cobrajim - recommend - reply

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Of course they are.

You can type your own book, you can take your own photo, you can write your own song, and you can make your own action set. But if you copy somebody else's creation then there are things that the law provides, and the remedies are serious.

The question universally would be... did somebody create something of value in a unique way? Are they selling it? Are you copying or mimicking the product and distributing it? Does this take away sales from them due to your actions? And most importantly, can you afford to pay that person back for all of the units that you caused that person to lose because of your actions, times three? Plus maybe $50-$100,000 in legal bills? And if not, are you aware that you may have your wages attached until this bill is paid - or until the end of your life, whichever comes first?

Those are the questions to ask when deciding to take somebody's creation and distribute it to potential customers.
Posted 4/28/2006 12:01 PM by garyfong1 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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it's a sad thing to have happen period...but I'd have to agree with you Gary.  If I had spent the time to invent a product...I'd probably have very similar feelings.  Depending upon the other person somewhat...but still would feel that they were trying to "take" an idea... that's got to be a little frustrating...
Posted 4/28/2006 12:19 PM by bjensen - recommend - reply

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Jim,

If you look at the color scheme, it matches.  Ivan just changed it around a bit. 

Autodrop is on green on both sides. 
RunMeFirst is yellow and Start Here is yellow. Same
AddImage/Delete Image both sides green.
Select Crop and CropSelectedArea are duplicates of Gary's.

The numbering scheme (5a, 5b, 6, 7a) is the same as Gary's.

It's VERY obviously a direct knock off.  It's infringement in this case.  If you want to make an actionset, make one.  But copying color, titles, almost everything - that's not only illegal it's DANG cheesy!

Posted 4/28/2006 12:41 PM by pictureinfinity - recommend - reply

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You people who think this guy did no wrong, are you crazy? I'd like to see how you would react if he took one of your photos off your website and used it on his. Maybe change it from color to sepia. Would that be OK? I love the way some want to protect their rights, but when it comes to someone else, stealing is OK. They want to protect their images but think it's ok to steal music.
Posted 4/28/2006 1:24 PM by Jim_Reed_Photos - recommend - reply

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From what Gary has told me this guy regrets what he did and is very sorry - so they are both working on a solution. It's a shame that people don't know the law, I surely don't know everything, but if I were breaking the law I would have to pay for my actions. It sucks, but that's how it goes. Maybe this can be a lesson for all of us... before we post things for the public to see... we should read up on what the law says about it.
Posted 4/28/2006 1:54 PM by missycarl - recommend - reply

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I agree with Gary, this guys was wrong and obviously copied Gary's hard work. I also think this guy should pay up too, not that Gary needs the money but there should be consequences for wrongful actions. This guy took away sales from Gary by copying his work. If someone took money out of my bank account, I would want it back just like the next guy.
Posted 4/28/2006 1:57 PM by scottrobert Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - recommend - reply

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Yeah, I think he should make it up by baking Mel's cake next year.
Posted 4/28/2006 2:53 PM by fahmboi - recommend - reply

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LOL
Posted 4/28/2006 3:27 PM by missycarl - recommend - reply

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I agree - a cakeoff is in order. Bummer about the copycat - that's lame.
Posted 4/28/2006 3:50 PM by opensourcephoto - recommend - reply

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Wow this is like a slap in the face. Although I'm glad that you and the party in question are in communication. Good luck with finding a workabl e solution Gary - and good luck in the cakeoff!!
Posted 4/28/2006 4:46 PM by nathan_rodger - recommend - reply

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Gary........is Mel's cake copyrighted?
Posted 4/28/2006 4:56 PM by pep9454 - recommend - reply

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Why?  Do you want to copy his cake?  Yikes!!  :)

Posted 4/28/2006 6:22 PM by RussLowe - recommend - reply

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Isn't it great to rule your own blog???? Gary????
:)
Posted 4/28/2006 9:00 PM by fahmboi - recommend - reply

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I hate to be the devil's advocate here...but..

Gary, does not your code "utilitize" copyrighted code here?

ie. Your code firstly uses the PhotoShop menu system for its look ie: PhotoShop "Button Mode".  Secondly your code calls source code in Photoshop via the "actions".  I know about writing code and I am not allowed to utilize "other" companies copyrighted code in my own commercial product without their consent or compensation.

Just a thought here. IMHO.

Posted 4/28/2006 9:14 PM by cobrajim - recommend - reply

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I guess one way I was looking at this is... how far AWAY from your action set would a person have to get to not be eligible for a visit from your lawyer?

Could I make non-colored action buttons, with all different names, to do things that are a part of the Photoshop software, useful to other wedding photographers, and sell them?

Where is the line?
Posted 4/28/2006 10:49 PM by fblau - recommend - reply

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"Are you copying or mimicking the product and distributing it"

As photographers/artists, are we not all "copying and mimicking" other people's work?

That is how we all learn...from others...

I just wonder what Adobe/PhotoShop company would say about someone using they copyrighted code (thru actions) in a commerical product?

The code in both Gary and Ivan's products utilize the code written by Adobe/PhotoShop, as far as I know without Adobe's consent.

The only differnence, under the law is, that Gary's program resulted it a "financial benefit" to himself which under the rules of copyright law is one of the criteria for infringment.

Posted 4/28/2006 11:03 PM by cobrajim - recommend - reply

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Let me ask it another way...

What is proprietary about Gary's action set?

I would say that it is the way that the flow guides you, the text of the help messages and of course the training.

I find it hard to believe you can copyright useful macros for things that a program does already.

The look of the buttons (other than the colors) is something that Photoshop dictates, so just showing them side by side is hard to say is an infringement, unless the look contains something proprietary.

Similarily.. the text of the buttons... You can't copyright phrases that are in common use, like "Send to background"... "Autodrop" is a different one though... I don't know if it matters, but there are thousands of hits for the use of the word "autodrop" from a google search... many of them having to do with graphic design.

I agree that the guy didn't take nearly enough time to make it different... and the idea that he was taking sales away from you might be defensible in court....

I don't know... And I am certainly not a lawyer... but I think the VALUE of Gary's is in the package and training, not just in the actions themselves.

I'll be interested to see how it all turns out! You will keep us posted?
Posted 4/28/2006 11:05 PM by fblau - recommend - reply

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So he should have just used different colors and different text, and then it wouldn't have been a trademark infringement? I don't know about this. Maybe he shouldn't have used the word Autodrop but the appearance of that interface doesn't make me think "Gary Fong" like how your Lightsphere does. It's just a standard sans serifs font on plain colors.
Posted 4/28/2006 11:07 PM by doridan - recommend - reply

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ps: there are only 7 colors available for action buttons. It's common design 101 that useful actions should be grouped by color... its weakens the argument that "looking" the same is a trademark infringement, in my ever so humble opinion.
Posted 4/28/2006 11:12 PM by fblau - recommend - reply

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Did you sell that cake you baked for Mel, cause I baked one that looked just like it and gave it to the neighbors? 

Posted 4/28/2006 11:29 PM by CurrensDad - recommend - reply

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